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Christopher Moss's avatar

Certainly teenager is age limited (as are baby, infant, middle-aged and elderly, to less well defined degrees) because it is an age category, and that doesn't equate to an argument that sex must also be age-limited. As I understand it, you stick so strictly to the one criterion for defining sex—production of large or small gametes—that you feel infants, children and post-climacteric quondam women are to be considered sexless. Might we not solve that problem by indicating that sex is defined by the gametes you make during your reproductive years? A girl is a woman-to-be, and a crone an honorary woman still? And the same thing for boys (old men are still producing small motile gametes so I assume you have no issue with their title). I'm not a taxonomist, and I don't think that practical people need be reductionist about diagnosing sex. We can live with the idea that the sexes in normal humans are characterised by the gametes they make when of reproductive age, the chromosomes they have, and by their endocrine functions.

But in the bigger picture, what is the point of this hair-splitting? You don't like the idea of sex being immutable, but why is this? You are not suggesting, I know, that what we used to call a sex-change surgery does anything of the sort, and we all know that. I find it curious, by the way, that the folk who now refer to themselves as 'transgender' still want what is called 'sex-re-assignment surgery.' There is enough confusion about sex and gender without adding to it by claiming sex is a transitory category to which we belong only for part of our lives. Unless, Steers old friend, you are subconsciously trying to assist the trans activists in muddying the waters further. I don't think you are, so what is your purpose?

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James Hammerton's avatar

Hi Steersman,

I found this after reading your comments and discussions with others in the comments sections of various articles in Reality's Last Stand. I have some comments and a question.

First the comments:

Regarding Maya Forstater and her stated belief in the immutability of sex in humans, I posit there may be a simpler explanation for that stated belief than it being based on some magic essence, namely that "immutability" may be short hand for the idea that you can't change men into women or vice versa.

The medical treatments and surgery that trans people may undergo to look like members of the opposite sex, at best give one the external appearance of that sex. Even if you define male / female in terms of possession of relevant reproductive anatomy / structures rather than functioning gonads this seems true to me. Even the most complete medical transition will not e.g. give a transwoman a womb, ovaries or uterus, whilst the surgically constructed neo-vagina isn't a real vagina.

Another comment: we routinely refer to people / classify them as boys or girls, men or women, without knowing the status of their gonads - it seems to me this reflects the fact that human bodies come in 2 broad classes (admittedly with a lot of variation in those classes) - one associated with small gamete production (given mature, healthy reproductive organs), the other associated with large gamete production (given mature, healthy reproductive organs). I realise this is moving into 'family resemblances' territory, but it also seems to me a reality of being human. We can look at someone and, based on their collective physical characteristics, classify them as male or female in a way that correlates well with the role in reproduction they would play if/once they have functioning gonads. This may explain why some people reach for a definition of sex that doesn't require functioning gonads. Note that we often sex animals in a similar manner - e.g. after neutering a male cat we will likely still refer to the cat as 'he' or 'him'.

This leads me to my question: how would you define the categories of boy and girl, given that (pre-pubescent) children are sexless under the strict biological definition of sex you prefer?

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